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WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama pledged to end the ban on homosexuals serving openly in the military in a speech Saturday, but acknowledged to a cheering crowd that the policy changes he promised on the campaign trail are not coming as quickly as they expected.
"I will end 'don't ask-don't tell,'" Obama said to a standing ovation from the crowd of about 3,000 at the annual dinner of the Human Rights Campaign, a gay civil rights advocacy group. Obama reaffirmed his commitment to end the ban, but did not give a timetable or the specifics that some activists have called for.
Dave, Glad your online with this...or was that sarcasm?
I'm for ending DADT and for letting gays and lesbians serve openly in the military. Newsflash-they do serve and have always served in the military. Are the contributions these active duty and veterans make any less legitimate because of their sexual attraction? Under this and the previous admin we continue to discharge as unfit some of the most talented and able citizens who have stepped up to serve. An example, if we all remember, was that during the iraq wars when the military was decrying a "critical" shortage of arabic linguists they were, at the same time, discharging the same on mere accusations of being gay or lesbian.
overwhelmingly the troops don't have a problem serving with gays and lesbians. Its the old guard and much of their arguments are the same ones used to rail against blacks and women serving equally. Time has shown those old Ideals were outdated.
Matt
(8 years USAF as an airborne cryptologic linguist [Hebrew] honorably discharged. Among my awards are the aerial achievement medal, Joint service achievement and Joint service commendation medals, Armed forces expeditionary medal and others. I also received letters of appreciation from the USAF Europe, USN sixth fleet, and the National Security Agency.)
And this flyboy did it while gay.
(And no, I didn't get discovered and kicked out.)
I think it's going to cause major problems within the ranks, for gays and straights alike. Where do you draw the line when the 'Clingers' start coming out of the woodwork, wanting to wear female uniforms and dresses? What will be next? Trans-Gendered Generals? What exactly does serving openly mean? The opposite of don't ask-don't tell is obviously going to be 'ask and tell.'
Last I saw men and women seem to have the same uniforms or do women have to wear skirts on duty? Gay men and women have proved themselves to be equal to anyone else in the forces, they are "out of the closet" in the civilian sector and wow the sky is not falling, so why is the military where Gays have been serving since warfare started suddenly suddenly going to spin out of control. I think we heard the same arguments when women wanted to be in the armed forces. It is just plain discrimination and person bias.
I'll give you a few reasons that some of the troops may feel a bit uncomfortable knowing who amongst them are homosexual. Squad bays and berthing areas stacked three high, communal showers without privacy stalls, and close quarter drills requiring physical contact. Yes, gays have been in the military forever, but there's certainly a reason that some very sound minds in military leadership have decided that it's better to keep your sexual preferences private.
So you are worried that the heterosexual men are going to get turned on by the gay men and attack them.
Dave,
From Corpus.org “ In this country, a repeal of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” ban on gays serving openly is past due. General Wesley Clark has said as much. General Colin Powell, who fifteen years ago helped develop that unfortunate policy for the Clinton administration said last year on CNN that “we should definitely reevaluate it.” In November 2007, Candidate Barak Obama promised to work with Congress, the Department of Defense, and the military’s senior command to develop “an action plan for the implementation of a full repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.” Up to now his administration has been dragging its feet”
Fortunately (or unfortunately) the USA doesn’t have to be the grand experiment in addressing the “what if” arguments. Gay and lesbian military members serve openly in quite a few civilized governments including; Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, UK, and Uruguay.
On the other hand some of the governments that ban gay and lesbian service include; Cuba, China, North and South Korea, Serbia, Saudi Arabia (and in truth, any Islamic governments including Egypt, Syria, and Yemen). Telling isn’t it?
As far as what it means to serve openly, to me it just means that my sexual preference wouldn’t be a factor in retention and promotion just as it is not a factor (obvious, I know) for heterosexual troops. The UCMJ would still be the controlling document for matters of harassment and adultery etc.
Matt
Matt, Thank You for your service, keeping our country safe. We can live in a free country because of you. Man, women, gay, straight. you all risk your lives for us everyday. And Dave...transgender generals? Please. come out of your box. The world we live in has changed. adapt.
So hey as long as we're on the subject. Patsy, what are you wearing right now ? :)
just a smile sweetie. :)
Dave, don't military people have to adhere to a strict code of conduct? Why would that change? And BTY, as I recall, Clinger was not gay...he was just trying to get someone to say he was "crazy" so that he could get a discharge.
Colonel Potter: "Klinger what in blazes are you doing in that pink dress?!"
Klinger: "It's Spring sir!"
hahaha Doug, great line!
No, Clinger was not gay. I think he had a girl back in Jersey or brooklin, he wanted to get back to.
correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Don't let people's opinion affect you.You are a former soldier and you always will be.Thank-You for defending our country.
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