According to a National Black Chamber of Commerce study.
nationalbcc.org
1. Reduce nation GDP roughly $350 billion below the baseline level
2. Cut net employment by 2.5 million jobs (even after accounting for new "green" jobs)
3. Reduce earnings for the average U.S. worker by $390 per year.
My question, How is this good for America and Americans?
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Okay, I am stupid. I forgot to say this was for the proposed "National Energy Tax" that proposed by Nancy Palosi and is backed by the Obama administration.
Stop the cap and trade now. Call your representatives. This is now time for a Power to the People moment.
Sean, I wish more of us got involved with our elected officials. I am lucky, ours almost always vote the way their constituents want.
Save the Plants!
Carbon Dioxide is not a pollutant and never has been. Without CO2 we wouldn't have any plants and, therefor, we wouldn't have any oxygen. Without greenhouse gases, our planet would loose all its heat to space. Climates change. Get over it.
Oh, and I wish the other side would do a little research too. See, everyone in America has health care. No one is turned down at the emergency room. If you go in, you get treated. No, if's , and's, or but's about it.
Stop crying about wanting a house, but won't buy health insurance. Stop buying computers, if you can't afford insurance. See, everyone spends their money where they want to, and won't pay for what they don't want.
So, shut up about 40 million in America without insurance!
Enough already!!!
Sean, you are right on. See, there have always been, and needs to be "green house gas". The earth would freeze without them. The amounts through out recorded history haven't changed that much.
Oh, remember Obama said he was happy that fuel was $4.00 a gallon before he was elected. They want less freedom for Americans.
DRL,
I find some contradiction in what you say. On the one hand you proclaim conservatives as more compassionate than the other side but yet you say basically to heck with the 40 million with no health insurance.
Let them go to the emergency room right?
You do realize that is the most expensive method of health care don't you?
You are aware that when the uninsured visit the emergency room those of us that are already paying through the nose for insurance help to pay for that as well?
Emergency room care provides no preventative screening. It's the Last Chance Saloon of Health Care.
And if you believe that someone that has no health insurance receives the same overall level of health care than someone that doesn't you are dreaming.
You can cry Socialism all you'd like but it is reality that the cost of health care is rising at three times the CPI every year. This is not sustainable.
Look at GM. The cost of their retirees health plan was a significant factor in it's bankruptcy.
Our current system of health coverage is now ranked 37th in the world. Morocco is 36th.
It is morally indefensible for a country with the resources like the US to say to roughly 15% of it's population piss off.
DRL the emergency room is not intended to be the place to go to get health care free. And it's not really free.... like Doug pointed out, those of us who can pay and have insurance already pay the price in the end for those who don't.
1) what we generally call health insurance really isn't insurance in the traditional sense. It is more a "person maintenance plan" like you might get from BMW. People tend to get whatever services are covered (i.e. free) without really thinking about the cost. And often, they tend to avoid anything they actually pay out of pocket for.
2) the nature of our insurance coverage is largely dictated by the government. It is what it is and costs what it costs because our government has full control over what must be covered. You have choices when you get auto insurance or home insurance, why not health insurance. What do you think it would cost if the gov mandated full coverage on old junkers? What do you think it adds to the cost of everyone's care that the gov mandates coverage for "gender reassignment surgury" and the like? I, for one, don't need a policy that covers this and I'd really appreciate the freedom to choose that.
3) there is really no reason to force hospitals to provide free care for anyone who happens to show up at their ER door any more than we should force dealers to fix everyone's car. This is the land of opportunity and there are very few who are truly unable to provide for their families (be responsible) or contribute to the country (pay taxes)
Sean,
That is not a fair comparison.
Unlike your local auto dealer public hospitals are subsidized by tax dollars and cannot turn away the uninsured.
I don't know about your plan but I can assure you that a vast majority of plans in place now do not provide coverage for sex changes.
This may come as a surprise to you but a good number of the uninsured in this country ARE actually working. Unfortunately the jobs they work either do not offer health coverage or it's simply too costly for them. Vaguely portraying the uninsured as sloth like parasites seeking out another tit on which to feed is typical right wing fantasy marginalizing the underclass.
That pantheon of corporate America Wal Mart weasels out of providing coverage for many of its associates by working them right up to just short of what is considered full time.
What's next? How about we end free and reduced price school lunches for the poor while we're at it. Damn kids aren't paying any taxes anyway. Hardly my fault that their parents aren't responsible enough to get a decent job right?
To quote RAC "You fell into my trap"
It is not I who paints the uninsured as anything, but rather the statists who trot out their sob stories. They are really saying that a large percentage of us can't be burdened with responsibility for their own lives. That 50% of us can't be burdened with a share of taxes. What is the implication here? Are these people too stupid, lazy, what? Why would we want to continue down the path of building a society where so many can't take care of themselves or pay their share?
The reason the "working poor" cannot "afford" healthcare IS BECAUSE we are subsidizing this. So, it may seem like (e.g.) the [insert your working poor occupation here] is only making, say, $10 an hour. But in reality, they are making more than that because they are relieved of the overhead the rest of us have (fed income tax) and are further subsidized by the entitlement programs we keep growing.
Sean read your health insurance plan. Do you know your life time total expenditures? How about first and second surgery. Is the surgeon for the second surgical procedure fully covered? How about anesthesia, Is it fully covered or do you have to co-pay certain percentages. Do you have to inform your insurance company before you have treatment in a hospital( heaven forbid you have an accident and are in a coma). Are Ambulance costs paid in full. Since the health care legislation passed in MA I have screen some real improvements in the health insurance plans that have been offered to my college kids. What government is trying to do is get a basic care/coverage plan going, that will make sure that people are not screwed out of treatment because of the fine print. Health care costs are the major contributors to bankruptcy in America. Every other nations seems to get this. Your taxes are not going to change dramatically to fund a health care system. The ER is a major scam for people who do not have health insurance. The uninsured often have to pay bills that are triple the price of insured because they are not eligible to get in on the negotiated pricing that goes on between treatment facilities and insurance companies. Many uninsured are turned away or given ridiculous wait times for appointments to get rid of them at other care clinics. The point is that they have to rely on the ER and the extra costs as their health care plan and worse yet they have to get sucked into financing plans at the hospital they end up in to get treatment. 76% of Americans say they want socialized health care. You think you have enough money and feel that you are covered for your needs but if you lose your job, have to rely on savings and pay for insurance because you are not considered debilitated enough for the Medicare to kick in or you are not old enough, your nest egg will disappear quickly and so will your assets. Do the math and see how far you can get and how many years you can get by. We spend more on health care as a nation than other countries with worse results. Not treat people who show up at the ER door. Are you for real, bleed to death while your wife goes home to fetch your insurance card. People are not cars.
Sean,
not unlike the overtaxed member of the 50% to which you refer.
E.G. insert your occupation here of the guy making 100 grand. He's making more than that because we are subsidizing him through cafeteria plan pre tax deduction of health premiums. To say nothing of the shelters provided by the tax code for property owners.
The last time I posted a comment I was told to stick to talking about my tatoo. So just for the record...it's Pelosi. :)
Doug, maybe I can help a little here. I am very compassionate. Is it competition to give drugs to a crack addict? Is it compassionate to give alcohol to an alcoholic? How about money to someone who just doesn't "want" to work? No. Okay they were all rhetorical questions. The liberals say, "yes" to them.
I do not have good health insurance, because I can't afford it. I have catastrophic health insurance, or what ever it is called. It is great if I need major work, but not great for general office visits.
There is Medicaid for the poor, Medicare for the retired, and state plans for children.
My point is, "if they have the money for a car, house, drugs, beer, etc..... why can't they pay for their own insurance. It is a choice.
Cindy, I know, but let me ask you a question. Where will the money come from to pay for insuring everyone in America? The same place it comes from when someone goes to the emergency room uninsured, duhhhhhh.
Look at the public housing situation. It is a rare time when someone is given public housing that they take care of it. I would like to see where "the projects" looks as nice as someone who is paying for there home/apartment.
Becki, I would jokingly say something like. "Let me see" or "oooooo, girl on girl", but then I would be called all sorts of derogatory stuff.
Dang Juliet, what a diatribe! LOL, haaaaaa.
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