If "dissention is the greatest form of patriotism" (as seen on countless liberal's bumper stickers when Bush was in office), then what is suppression of dissent?
Obama's speech July 13 on Healhcare:
“I just want to put everybody on notice, because there was a lot of chatter during the week that I was gone: We are going to get this done,” the president said. “Inaction is not an option. And for those naysayers and cynics who think that this is not going to happen, don't bet against us.”
“The status quo on health care is no longer an option for the United States of America,” the president said. “This is no longer a problem we can wait to fix. This is about who we are as a country. Health care reform is about every family's health, but it's also about the health of the economy.”
What a load of shite.
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Where does is it say anything about suppression of dissent?
Sean.....shit is spelled shit. just thought you might wanna heads up.
Anybody who wants to say we don't need health care reform...come spend a day with me at the hospital, come listen to real stories about real people...until then, you don't know what you are talking about.
Shite is the British way. Sometimes it has a better ring to it.
Cindy - our government has been driving healthcare down a hole, just so they can come "rescue us".
Is there any better healthcare system in the world? I don't think so.
Is this nationalization of healthcare the only answer? Hardly, in fact it isn't an answer at all.
He's "putting us on notice"? He's upset about the "chatter"? Sounds as if he's a high school teacher who left the room for a few minutes and is in a huff 'cause students started talking. Indeed, one need not look beyond his own lips to find the arrogance he's always apologizing for. That's, umm, our arrogance, of course. Not his.
A variant of the word shit, 'Shite' is commonly used in the UK and Ireland
Cindy some people don't care about others as long as they are covered. They don't get the contribution the little people make to our country. You know the part-timer that keeps the toilet clean, the maid that gets sent home early because there were not enough guest in the hotel. The caregivers of family members etc. Sometimes I think it is a status thing for them, like good health care is what separates them and makes them feel more superior to others. But very few of us escape getting sick and all of us will die some fast most slow and then they can see how far their policy takes them.
Oh, yes - you got. I am an uncaring republican. Is that it?
Wrong.
is someone cleans the toilet for, say, $7.25 an hour and then receives benefits for healthcare, foodstamps, watever, he really doesn't cost $7.25 an hour, does he? His real labor cost, though, is hidden by the fact that his employer doesn't pay this, but rather is subsidized by tax payers (i.e. 50% of us). IF we didn't subsidize this labor, THEN he would ultimately demand more and ultimately would get it.
The current system is based on tugging your emotions, not any actual logic or facts.
The current system ultimately enslaves the poor toilet cleaner to the government because he becomes dependent on the entitlements.
So, you can take your talking points about how mean spirited I am and flush them down that very same toilet.
Exactly Cindy and Juliet! Seans attitude is as long as his homely ass is insured, who gives a shit about the rest of us. It's selfish...BTW Sean, do you have a women? just curious.
As a former Medicaid Service Coordinator, I can tell all you folks on the left and the right, that health care has for years been available to ‘all’, …especially the poor. Walk into or go by ambulance to any emergency room with an emergency or illness. If you tell them that you don’t have health insurance, the next thing you know, there you is a person (usually a newly graduated and ‘greenhorn’ Social Worker) at your bedside in the ER with a Medicaid application…and they even fill and process it out for you (been there, done that). And for many of you that don’t already know, it is illegal to deny medical care to anyone that walks or is rolled into an ER.
Oh, and nice post Sean!
So when do we get the medicinal Maryjane??;)
Think you have to go to Californ-I.A. for that script.
Ric,
Hospitals are required to provide emergency room services to everyone, regardless if they are covered or not. Physicians as a rule will not overlook a condition or test result on the basis of the patient's lacking insurance. This is all as you say.
Emergency room care responsibility for the indigent ends at stabilizing the patient.
Typically what happens thereafter is little or nothing in the way of remediation. Further tests and or procedures recommended by doctors are often rejected by the patient fearful of enormous debt and inability to pay.
Further, among the medical profession Medicaid is notorious for slow and tedious processing of claims. With all due respect to your real world experience you typically will not find for profit health care providers falling over themselves competing for the business from the uninsured or those covered by Medicaid.
All of this misses the point that the costs associated with health care in this country are on an unsustainable course. If costs continue to rise like they have over the last few years in time it will be affordable for only the very well connected.
Self congratulatory rhetoric proclaiming our health care system the best in the world rings rather hollow when some 37 million of our fellow citizens have limited access to this care based largely on their socio-economic status.
Some say look at the monetary cost, how will we pay for this? I say look at the human cost of not having universal care, how can we not afford it.
I find a perverse irony in right wing opposition to universal health care given their proclaimed and sometimes near militant "pro life" stance.
Pat - how about you amaze us with your powers of deduction. Tell us all about me.
Clear something up for me... some of you think that a large chunk of us have to be taken care of. What is lacking in those who can't provide for themselves and their families?
From the House GOP Conference Secretary’s office:
Democrats Gag Debate on Failure to Follow House Rules
(WASHINGTON, DC) – In an astonishing acceleration of the stifling of debate and transparency in the House, Democrats tonight voted to adjourn and gag the planned special orders speeches of U.S. Representatives John Carter (R-TX) and Steve King (R-IA).
Carter and King had announced they would discuss Democrat Majority Leader Steny Hoyer’s (D-MD) statement that the upcoming health care reform effort would fail if Members were required to read the legislation. House Democrats accordingly silenced floor debate on the issue by voting to close early.
“The Democrats are the majority – for now,” says Carter, House Republican Conference Secretary. “They chose to silence debate on the floor by gagging House Republican Members from using their historical right to speak after the close of the day. But they cannot stop us from speaking and letting the American public know the truth about their ongoing assault against representative democracy.”
Obama lied, transparency died
ok sean, here goes.....hmmmm I'm getting a blank here. Wait! let me try again......no, still a blank. Sean is your head in the way? dammit!
Before you bend over, use obamgel.. because in one way or another, you will take it up the wahzoo.
Pat, why am I not a "real person"?
Juliet, remember, I don't have regular health insurance, and don't expect anyone else to pay for it. Like I said, people spend money on wasteful things. Someone even said they would buy pot if it were legal, but not insurance.
Pat, can we keep this on an above level conversation. Calling someone "homely ass" and asking if he has a "woman" is below you.
By the way, I have met his beautiful wife. She is a lady.
Yes Sean, great post. It is what our President said that is not compassionate.
Ric, I already tried to explain how "all Americans" have health care. If someone leaves a hospital without proper treatment, the hospital will be sued. You will not convince socialist that unless everyone has the same health care available, then they have any at all.
Sean, if the liberals are the compassionate ones, then why are they attacking your wife, with no provocation??????
And the comment on the gaging is so true. The Democrats have locked the Republicans out of meetings and debates.
They want and have complete control in the halls of Congress, but not the media.
I still think the heartless attack on you wife deserves an apology, She is a sweetheart.
Well Sean, unless you are your own employer you are also subsidized by your employer. There are two types of employees those that generate income or save the company money (like a health insurance adjuster) and those that provide a service but cost money, like the IT guy. Now the person that cleans the bathroom is real important because he helps to prevent employee down days from illness by providing a clean place to work. Although he can't make the same salary as one of the executives of the company because of the costs of developing an executive through education etc. he still makes a valuable contribution's to the overall function of those in the work place. So he peeks out at 7.25 dollars per hour. Unfortunately he is not a machine that can work 24/7 so that he can generate more income at an hourly wage for people like you, that feel he should make the salary of an executive or IT person. He is a consumer during his off time he buys food and clothes, power, cars and all the things he needs to sustain his his life, job and family. He helps fuel the economy by being a consumer. He contributes taxes but he just doesn't make enough to really get out of that 7.25 an hour job. He is really screwed when he gets older and can't keep up with that physical cleaning job and retirement is something only the big guys dream about. If he gets enough together to pay off a house he will need around 5,000 for property taxes and health care premiums would run about 6000 for a couple today. Do that math Sean. You appear to have made it, we are all real proud of you historically not everyone does and they have hard times. Some people find justification for suffering in the bible others just are raised with out compassion. As a society many of us have come to understand that there is a feeling of disenchantment when many around us are suffering. As country based on democratic ideals we are now dealing with large urban populations how long do you think you can maintain order in society when large amounts of people are doing with out. Eventually people will take what they need to survive and the minority like yourself will be unable to stop them and still be able to cling to your belief of less government. You will need a police state to control the masses.
Wow, Juliet, you took a swipe at all of us righties with this one.
I do have a comment though. My property tax is about a 10th of what you said. You must really have a nice home. I don't think someone making minimum wage will have a house that nice.
Oh, and before socialism (prior to FDR) there was no police state to keep the people in check. I think you are thinking of Germany, Russia, China or Iran. Oops, these are or were all socialist, communist or totalitarian governments.
OH MY GOD!!! I asked if he had a women! Wondered how anyone put up with him. Lord knows, I've been with a few men who couldn't put up with me.
If you really need to know what an insult looks like, here's an example: You're an idiot.
Oh and since I have to explain every little thing....sean, I wasn't talking to you.
Drl are you in Utah? I hear they have some of the lowest real estate tax in the nation. Two years ago I when I put my youngest in college Hans and I drove up and down the cost from Maine to MA. In Maine along the coast there were so many homes for sale and I asked one of the owners that was closing down his shop and he said that the property taxes were getting so high that most people couldn't afford to stay. Many of the homes had been bought years before and now the owners were retired and as everyone knows most of us will take a big annual decrease when that happens. That particulate person that I talked to had an old run down house that had a used bookstore, it was set on the main road nearer to the coast. His tax was 6000. He said that basically everyone is getting forced out because they can't keep up the taxes. I have some great pics from that trip I will post them. House tax in Germany is not that much. I have a modest home in a really great area. I am glad it is not that big, because now that I am getting older I have no interest in chasing after the maintenance of a big house and I probably won't have the extra cash to pay for some one to do it for me.lol Also like where you are it gets cold and even in the summer sometimes you have to turn on the heat.
This applies to NYC Calculating Your Annual Property Tax
To estimate your annual property tax:
Multiply the taxable value of your property X the current tax rate for your property's tax class.
Remember, property tax rates change each year, as well as the value of exemptions and abatements. The actual taxes you pay in July might be different.
Example
Calculating Your Taxes Example Class 1 Property
1. Start with the Taxable Value from your Notice of Property Value $16,000
2. Enter the Tax Rate for your Tax Class 16.787%
(or .16787)
3. Multiply Taxable Value by Tax Rate (#1 x #2) $2,685
View Property Tax Rates
View Statement of Account information
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dof/html/property/property_bill_calculate.shtml
drl, here is a house that probably would represent the American dream.
http://www.fizber.com/maine-buy-single-family-home-11169737.html
Type: Single Family
Address: 4 Parsonage Way, Kittery Point, ME, 03904
Bedrooms: 3
Bathrooms: 1.0
Year Built: N/A
Sq. Footage: 1290.0
Price/Sqft: $209.22
Property Tax: new! $2,914
Price: $269,900
Pat, I see that you have no control of your personal attacks. You continue to personally demeaning people with no remorse. You are a vicious person.
Juliet, I live in Idaho, just north of Utah. And isn't it funny how you mention some of the most liberal states as having such a high tax rate?
Idaho and Utah are very conservative states and understand that a home is one of the most important parts of a families life. Therefor it should be one of the most affordable parts of the family. One of the last things that would be lost in hard time.
Strange, as I said, how the more liberal states have no problem kicking people out of their homes for hard times.
Drl, you call me vicious? Hey, I can change in an instant and be loving and kind. You're still an idiot all day long.
Pat, DRL is my brother and I love him to death! He’s no idiot. Name calling only looks bad to the name caller.
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