Wednesday, August 5, 2009

So (Doug, RAC, Juliet) what do YOU think happened to Detroit?

13 comments:

rac said...

Try starting your research with the Detroit race riots of 1943 and the events/conditions that preceded them. Then work your way through the years and examine the affects of white flight on the city. Lastly, you should take a trip there and see it for yourself.

Pat said...

I'm insulted Sean. Am i too dumb to comment?.....Detroit is like in Michigan Right? They used to make cars over 8 yrs ago. what happened to them them the last 8 years?
Hmmmm...( ditsy brain workin).

Becki said...

The unions sucked the life out of the American auto industry, that's what happened. While we were busy making sure everyone got paid triple time for working on their birthday and were provided benefits that continued even in death, the Japanese were busy developing and building a superior product with more value.

I don't blame racism, democrats or republicans. I blame the unions. The demise of the American auto industry has been a long time in the making. The profit margin needed to sustain the ridiculous cost of benefits under a union contract could not continue to grow.

When more money is going to your labor costs and less (and less) to your end user product...guess what the ultimate result will be?

Detroit.

Dave said...

Labor unions are a lot like community organizers.. they're all a bunch of extortionists.

rac said...

This is where the lines get blurred. My original question was about Detroit the city not Detroit the auto industry. Believe it or not they are two different things. I agree labor unions along with bad management killed Detroit the auto industry. But what killed Detroit the city is an entirely different (but loosely related) set of circumstances.

Sean said...

Because labor unions and democrats are two entirely different things with, really, no relation between them???

On the other hand, labor unions and management are, in fact, the same thing. However the layer of management created by the unions have no responsibility for their component of producing product (labor).

They feed each other and grow together and killed the Detroit (the industry) and Detroit (the city) together.

juliet said...

Certainly unions made a contribution to decreased profit but really it was a lousy less competitive product that killed Detroit's automotive industry by resulting in high unemployment and all the problems that poverty and hopelessness bring to that condition. Asian and European autos consistently have had better gas mileage as far back as early 70's. Does anyone remember the gas lines and the increase price of fuel. That was the real killer. Combined with the factory trends of increased automated technology added to the manipulation of oil prices and a lousy inefficient over priced automobile/ SUV contributed to the demise of the thriving Detroit industry. The amount the unions cost the industry could probably be offset by the bonus packages and high salaries of management.

I wouldn't be so quick to knock unions with out them, you and I would have little in the way of a minim wage and company/employee standards. Unions played a great role in making professional and safety standards in the work place.

So I hear Detroit is trying to work on development of a tourism industry, gambling and hosting sports events. Trying to mimic that socialist country across the lake. I have never been there and it is not on my top 10 places to visit. More interested in seeing the Tarr Flats before Detroit.

Doug said...

Probably not much to add than what's already been said. I might also say though that Detroit is not yet dead.

Dave said...

Neither is America yet dead. Believe it or not, people are actually starting to wake up to the crooked shenanigans that have been going on (for a long time) in our nations capital. The tangled web is slowly coming unraveled.

rac said...

Crack cocain is hardly a problem related to unions or ones political affiliation. Just ask the Reagan administration.

Pat said...

Dave, a tangled web of 8 years takes time to un-weave.

Dave said...

There's the final answer.
Mystery solved. Bush did it.

juliet said...

SO Sean since we (Doug, Rac and Juliet) commented do you have anything to say?