How many of you Limbaugh haters have ever actually listened to him? He's giving a speech at the CPAC - it is live on FOX news. I'm sure it will be available after.
Take an change and listen. If you like, I'll listen to one of "your guys" to be fair about it.
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So I've been listening for about 50 minutes now and all I'm hearing is a lot of bitching and insults. Not much (of anything) in the way of ideas. Nice party platform. Let me know how that works out for you.
El-Rushbo! Thats because thats all you want to hear. hahahaha
You could be right Mat. So why don't you do me a favor and list all parts where he defines the conservative agenda. Because to be honest, I really didn't hear any.
No way Jose. I take the weekends off. I listen to Rush during the week. Even I need a break sometimes. hahaha.
My bad, it appears I tuned in too late. I just read on Fox that the first 15 minutes is where he gave "an impassioned summary of what it means to be a conservative". Given I at least tried maybe one of you can summarise it for me.
CPAC Straw Poll Results:
Mitt Romney - 20 percent
Bobby Jindal - 14 percent
Ron Paul -13 percent
Sarah Palin - 13 percent
Newt Gingrich -10 percent
Mike Huckabee - 7 percent
Mark Sanford - 4 percent
Rudy Guiliani - 3 percent
Tim Pawlenty - 2 percent
Charlie Crist - 1 percent
Undecided - 9 percent
If the Republican primary were held today, which candidate from the above list would you vote for?
What no Joe The Plumber?
Weird huh? Especially since Joe the Plumber was the keynote speaker on day 1.
sarah,newt and undecided
I only got to watch a few minutes of Moha Rushies first Speech to the Nation. (I was at my mother in-laws doing some work on her house). But from what I heard him say, it made good sense to me.
Sarah Palin would have my vote. But the election is a long ways out there yet.
I did vote for Mitt Romney in the last primary, but I would really like to support Newt Gingrich. However, he chose not to run.
RAC - Maybe you would tell us what YOU think it means to be conservative. In fact, it would be interesting to see the results of a little survey:
Why conservitives are conservative, and what they think it means to be liberal.
Why liberals are liberal, and what they think it means to be conservative.
Sean,
Hey give us a little credit, I've listened to Limbaugh. He's actually quite entertaining.
I seem to remember one of his shows where he proclaimed that any white man, even first offenders, caught in possession of or dealing in illegal drugs should be sent to prison under minimum mandatory sentencing guidelines that he was proposing.
Sometime thereafter he was busted for illegally acquiring prescription drugs. Oxycontin I think. Pharmaceutical grade heroin basically.
Hey by the way who was that lady that kept saying "you be the man!" the other night?
I kept waiting for her to bust a move and start gettin' down with her peeps.
I'm afraid the world is less simplistic as you would make it out to be Sean. It seems you see the world as either black of white(and I mean that figuratively not literally). You come across with this notion that we have to be either liberal or conservative - good or evil. I disagree.
Your original post asked for feedback about Rush Limbaugh speaking at CPAC. By its very function this was a convention of conservative ideas. I listened as you asked Sean and I told you I did not hear any ideas and that I only heard bitching and insults. So if you want to know what my opinion of what conservatism means based on what I heard it would be this: The conservative movement stands for self loathing and hatred. The anger and hatred coming from the platform is apparent to anyone listening.
So I gave it a chance Sean. I listened as you asked. I'm sorry, but I didn't like what I heard. Not because Rush is a conservative but because he's a whiny little bitch. I think I've made it clear there are a number of conservatives I really like and admire. But then there are those that live in the negative and are filled with hate and self contempt... and that I can not respect. As I tried to point out to Dave in an earlier post; our perception of the world is a reflection of how we see ourselves. When a man learns to love himself he will begin to see others a different light.
For the record, I kind of like Paul, Romney, Huckabee and Gingrich. I probably wouldn't vote for them (well maybe Paul) but I certainly wouldn't be running around like it was the end of the world if they were in charge. Sarah Palin on the other hand might cause me to slit my wrists.
(the following is my opinion)Typically, liberals, tend to proclaim their self righteousness out of one side of their mouths, to love themselves and their fellow man, to help others in need, to save the planet etc.. but out of the other side of their mouths, it must be at the expense of others. Such as... the redistribution of wealth through outrageous spending and taxes, entrapping their fellow man in a state of welfare, where mister government will pay for everything; by the murder of the unborn, through a woman’s right to choose (to kill her baby), and to love their fellow man...literally, through gay and homosexual activity, and legislation in favor thereof. To save a rodent, even if it means the extinction of man, and instead of "bitching and complaining" when their idolized leaders ignore, defy and break the constitution of the United States of America, liberals fall into lock-step with them, and defend and applaud them.. all in the name of democracy. Liberals tend to defend immorality, while conservatives attempt to defend the Constitution. To love and defend immorality is to "hate" yourself... (in my opinion)
Dave, let me remind you of another one of your opinions:
"Man is a wretched creature, wicked and deceitful in every way; filled with greed and loathing, seeking only to destroy one another."
BTW Dave, maybe you should read your little rant before you start pointing the self-righteousness finger.
Self-righteousness: a feeling of smug moral superiority derived from a sense that one's beliefs, actions, or affiliations are of greater virtue ...
"It doesn't have to be like this
All we need to do is make sure we keep talking."
Stephen Hawking in Pink Floyd's Keep talking
I don't have to be all touchy feely about my "opinions" now do I? You guys all sure seem to have yours, and have no trouble expressing them. And rac, if you go back and look again to where I wrote "Man is a wretched creature, wicked and deceitful in every way; filled with greed and loathing, seeking only to destroy one another", you will see that I was quoting Thomas Hobbes, a pessimistic enlightenment philosopher. I am optimistic at times and pessimistic at others. Sometimes the things I see going on in Washington just plain old piss me off. Don't take everything I say personally... unless of course it does apply to you. Ok, your turn to rant...
Dave, Preach it brothr!
"...and to love their fellow man...literally, through gay and homosexual activity..."
Wow. Never realized that all homosexuals were of liberal political ideology.
"...To save a rodent, even if it means the extinction of man,..."
Fear not old friend, to date there is no shortage of either man or rodent.
:...and instead of "bitching and complaining" when their idolized leaders ignore, defy and break the constitution of the United States of America, liberals fall into lock-step with them, and defend and applaud them.. all in the name of democracy."
Now I'll be the first to admit that my short term memory isn't what it used to be but I can't seem to recall a hue and cry from the Right when liberties were taken with Constitutional authority by the previous administration.
Attaching ideological labels to as complex a creature as a human being is an exercise in futility.
Well, I have listened to Rush for years. Entertainment is limited around here and I just try to pretend it is SNL. That said. My husband likes to listen to him because he likes to see me cringe at the things Rush says. 25years and counting.
I think Rush made his point clear in the beginning of his rant. He said that bi-partisanship between the Democrats and the republicans can never happen because for them it is not a conflict of issues but a conflict of philosophical differences that from his side are impossible to give way to compromise because it would mean giving up certain fundamentals beliefs. I have to admit I gave up listening to him because he seems to have little substance to any of his remarks and changes his points about every three sentences. But the question is what defines a conservative, I think I brought this up way back in another thread on the blog.
Now for Dave I assume that would be issues like abortion and homosexuality. For Matt if I got the gist of his economic plan it would be for more personal saving, less government spending and interaction in financial affairs and for Sean probably hanging on to his last hard earned penny to make sure it doesn't go to programs like subsidized health care. I guess subsidies to big business are okay though.
Rush more or less claims that Government has taken the place of the role of the father and that is why we have single mothers and the destruction of the traditional American family etc. I get the sense that republican conservative probably would like to see things as they were back in the good old days when America was first colonized and Religious leaders had power over the people and people lived a very narrow prescribed life. You know hanging in the stocks on Monday if you missed church on Sunday. I think the fundamental desire of less government goes back to the desire for organised religion to be the only authority over society. I believe that there is always going to be from the extreme right a resentment of the secularising of the Government. So if you brain wash kids from an early age that Government is bad and that the only true power is JC and the bible, I expect it will be a tough sell to over come democratic fundamental differences that the liberal left adheres to like social equality and the right for women to choose the direction of their life by having sex and sometimes abortions. Baby murder as Dave calls it. Check out Jesus Camp http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3929535037535102662( Republicans have been in office the last 8 years. Family planning funding was cut and guess what teen/single mothers are on the rise. I guess those purity rings just are not doing the job. Can you really expect in this day and age with all the scientific and psychological information out there about gender and gender identity that it is okay to to discriminate against homosexuals Dave. Preservation of our environment is fundamental to human survival. We need to preserve that wood rat. If your conservative kids had better education in the biological sciences and their parents didn't stick to suppressing science so that the flock doesn't run the risk of questioning the biblical explanation of creation you all might get that.
I think this is what really turns people (me included) away from the conservative party, it is this belligerent, poorly educated reactionism that has no real tangible and sustainable solutions to our modern world and it's diverse people and environments.
I have two cats. They are both ardently anti wood rat. Given the chance, they will ritualistically dismember one on sight.
Conversely, they are both pro tuna.
If these former stray felines can be so conflicted how can we ever hope to compartmentalize a human.
OK, so we've finally got a transcript of Rush's speech. You can find it here:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/01/transcript-rush-limbaughs-address-cpac/
What I can't find is the whining and hatred. Care to point it out?
Juliet - When Republicans are in power, they were besieged by democrats who demanded a power sharing scheme (it was 50/50 in the senate with Cheney as the tie breaker). When Republicans are in power the Democrats they praise "bipartisanship" like the McCain Feingold bill or the "gang of 14" who acted to end the filibustering by Democrats over Bush's court appointments. But, when the Dems are in power, all mention of bipartisanship goes out the door. The Reps were LOCKED OUT of the writing of these bills. They were LOCKED OUT of the conference sessions. If it were up to the dems, the reps might just as well stay home for the next two years. What Rush is talking about is that the Reps need to stop walking the dem talk and start walking their walk.
When you say my plan is to hang on to my "last hard earned penny" I suppose your implying that I'm just another greedy Republican? My interest is not in avoiding taxes, it is about applying a flat tax so that if anyone is paying federal income taxes, then everyone must. The progressive income tax is nothing more than an instrument of tyrrany. If we all paid something then we'd all be keeping a better eye on what the government seizes our money for. How can you possibly justiy a system where the vast majority of taxes burden a small minority of Americans?
Socialized medicine is not about caring for poor people who can't afford to see the doctor. It is not about getting coverage from everyone - it is about getting everyone (except, I imagine that 40% who don't pay fed tax) to PAY into the system. It is about control of our lives.
What, exactly, is wrong with our healthcare system in the first place? We have more innovation, invention and quality care here than anywhere in the world! Do you expect this to flourish under the control of the federal government? I've never been to one, but I understand the VA hospital system isn't exactly Johns Hopkins,. What would make you think that a single system - a monopoly with no competition - would be any better than the current VA system? Is that really what you want?
You talk about the "secularising of the Government"... When was it ever otherwise under the US constitution?
You talk about brain washing kids, what do you think is happening in our schools? in our colleges? on our public television? These institutions are all in the hands of liberals and are paid for with our tax dollars. We have no choice but to fund them. If *parents* want to pass on their beliefs to their children, that is their right to do so. THAT is freedom of religion. The so-called seperation of church and state is about protecting that.
For the record, my father had a PHD in Mathematics, my grandfather taught math, chemistry and physics. Anyone who knows me would say that I have a logical, scientific mind. I am not a believer in God, but I also don't belittle those who do have faith. I'm not interested in where someone got their morals, ethics and beliefs. But I am interested in what they do with them. Does the fact that "Thou shalt not kill" is one of the 10 commandments make it any less valuable to you?
Hahahaha I'll respond Juliet after I'm done cracking up. Doug, I have no idea what you just said.Hahahaha. OK thats a little better but I still hurt. Ok I'll try to stay on point the best I can. You summed up what you think conservatism is based on what Dave and Sean and I have written. OK so 1)Homosexuality. No body here that I know of said they should be discriminated against. All men are created equal. Should they be allowed to marry? In the Traditional sense of marriage? NO. However, if two gay partners want to co-habitate and share finances and leave their estates to each other, Sure. It's their shit they can do whatever they want to do with it.It's a non issue for me. If they want to rent a hall and invite their friends over and profess their love for each other and shove cake in each others faces then yea sure whatever. Gay Pride parades? Why? What about an annual Hetero pride parade? Well thats just wrong isn't it? OK, 2) Abortion. You said that women should be allowed to have sex.Well yea,Duh. Otherwise the race may die off(which it may anyways if the gays have their way.Hahaha I couldn't resist that)Abortion should be allowed if it can be determined that the mother could possibly die in childbirth or if the child will be born SEVERELY disabled mentally. But these are decisions that should be made by the PARENTS. The Mother and the FATHER.We believe in the institution of marriage. It should be ok in cases of rape. It shouldn't be a form of birth control just because two people made a bad decision. Thats wrong. The only analogy I can think of(and I know you'll twist it around) is what if you commit a crime albeit a minor one, speeding,shoplifting,etc. You get a lawyer and go to trial and you get a hard ass judge.You plead guilty and say I'm sorry.The judge gives you two years and you say shit it's not fair. You do the crime,You do the time.The difference is You can repay what you stole or talk to kids about the dangers of speeding. But with an abortion you can't EVER give that life back!3) And yes we do believe in fiscal responsibility. We need government to provide basic services like roads and police and fire. You are trying to suggest that we don't want people to have health care. Thats not true. We think that as a nation it is incumbent upon us to invest in the health of our population(if you would go back in the blog you would see that I said this before).That doesn't mean socialize it to the point where I HAVE to go where they tell me to go. I want to have a choice. Look Juliet there are always going to be a segment of society that are going to not be able to care for or help themselves. WE MUST PROVIDE FOR THEM. But we shouldn't have policies that encourage people to not at least try. I don't even want to get into the religious aspect of your question because you just wouldn't get it and I'm not even sure what the heck your point was so why bother.I hope that helps a litle bit.Peace.
Ponder this...."The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of "liberalism," they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." He went on to say: "I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform."
Norman Mattoon
This is exactly what I'm talking about. You couldn't buy this kind of entertainment. Great job everyone - let's keep the sparks flying.
DRL,
humor me for a moment.
Please do not interpret a dearth of responses to some of your posts as an acceptance by others that you have stated absolute, verifiable fact.
It may carry as much weight the possibility that the reader is mulling as to whether to actually even dignify some of your thoughts with a response.
Is it possible for you to draw comparisons without invoking Naziism? I think I see the point you are trying to make but the baggage associated with that label is way too heavy.
You draw this continuum of liberals=socialists=nazis.
I do not wish to be associated with this comparison, regardless of the context.
To follow your line of "reasoning" we may as well add Ronald Reagan (largest Earned Income Credit expansion in programs history to that date) and Richard Nixon (implemented WIC program 1974) to the party as well. Social welfare programs right? Must be Nazis.
Jesus, it pains me to even write that.
I got a tatoo!!! Oh wait...wrong thread...hahaha! Actually I'm watching 24 and trying to get caught up on the blog during the commercials. What an intense crowd. I consider myself a tried and true conservative and these are the things I hold true.
1. I don't look to government to support me or bail me out. In the next 18 months I will lose my house because I chose a subprime loan. I did it to save a failing business (business still failed), but the consequences are mine. By the same token I seriously resent that my taxes will be raised to bailout those who made the same choice I did, only because I am considered "rich."
2. Abortion - I am and will always be a single issue voter. I believe the results of Roe V. Wade marked the beginning of serious social and moral decline in our country. I think the taking of a human life is the single most self-centered act a human being can perform. I believe a fetus is a human life. I believe we must take responsibility for our choices and actions. Women have had and will always have a choice - just say "No." In fact, if you're feeling kind of weak, then don't put yourself in a position where the question could come up.
I wrote more but deleted it because I just didn't want to go there and didn't know when I would get back to the blog to defend my honor.
All that being said, I have missed you guys and yes I did get a tatoo. It was so fun. And my shopping list for Wal Mart? I'm still thinking about it, but Juls, Doug and Matt? You guys should have your pictures posted there!
Becki,
So good to hear from you.
I know you are not asking for sympathy, but I am as sorry to hear that you are "maybe" going to loose you house as I have been for others in the past. I know one little turn or decision in our lives can affect us in major ways.
On the abortion issue. I agree completely. There is never a reason for the taking of an innocent life. By the way, "fetus" is ether Latin or Greek for "infant". Abortion is only the selfish choice of a woman. We know through science that once the egg is fertilized, the child has its own DNA. It makes the embryonic sack, fluid and placenta of its own, not from the mother. The mothers blood never comes in contact with that of the fetus. The fetus is completely separate from the mother. The only difference is she carries the child inside rather than on the outside. Dr. Singer (I don't know how to spell his name) from Berkley has tried to get it legalized to kill the baby for up to 3 months after birth if the mother so chooses. It is all infanticide to me.
I agree the mother has the right to do with her body what she wants, but not to her child, whether inside the body or outside.
Good to hear from you again.
Becki,
I am truly sorry for the financial problems you are having. Given your resolve and strength I'm sure you will persevere. These are difficult times. These things too shall pass.
So...you got a tatoo. Where and what is it?
I'll show you mine if you show me yours :)
Oh and I'm not so concerned about my picture being up at Wal-Mart. It's when it shows up at the Post Office that I go into LayLow mode.
Okay so I listened to some of Rush's oratory. So what award was it he was being presented by the CPAC?
Doug,
I have no idea where Becki's tatoo is, but I am sure it is better than your ankle. Oh, and if you have one other than you ankle.... sorry, I just threw up a little in my mouth.....I don't want to see it. Ha
If I'm not mistaken I would say that it appears that I have struck a nerve.
Becki! Where have you been hiding, besides watching the addictive episodes of 24. So, ah, OK, ...you got a tattoo? Where is it? I need to know! I want to know! I HAVE TO KNOW!
I'm just funning with you! Teresa wants to get a tattoo too. A very small one.
Good to see you drop in!
Riddle me this...my tatoo is in a place that can only be seen in the summer. Where is it? Theresa - Do it!!! I love it! It's fun, sexy and makes me feel young. It was totally impulsive (yes I was sober - did it on my lunch hour). Doug - game on. Sharing is caring and a two way street.
OK Becki, you just convinced my wife to get a tattoo. So tell me, where is a sexy place that she can get it, that can only be seen in summer? ;)
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